E19: Finding Freedom After Abuse with Lindsay Ferrier

Lindsay Ferrier built a career on wit, honesty, and saying out loud what everyone else was thinking — her blog Suburban Turmoil was one of the most widely read mom blogs of its era. But for years, she kept one part of her story completely hidden.

In this episode, Lindsay opens up about the abuse she endured behind closed doors, the moment she knew she had to leave, and the promise she made to herself: that once she was free, she'd be the voice she couldn't find when she needed it most.

This conversation is about what it really means to live free — not just from a harmful relationship, but from shame, secrecy, and self-doubt.

Content warning: This episode includes discussion of abuse and may not be suitable for all listeners.

What We Talk About In This Episode

• Why Lindsay stayed silent for so long — and what finally changed
• The invisible side of abuse and how it isolates women
• How writing became her way of reclaiming her power and her story
• The moment she had to choose between hiding and healing
• Breaking generational patterns of silence in families
• What it looks like to start over and actually love your life again
• The ripple effect of telling the truth

Connect with Lindsay Ferrier

• Substack: Something Totally Divorce-Related
• Lifestyle blog: Something Totally Different

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Lindsay (00:00)
I'd say decade of my marriage, I didn't even know that what I was experiencing was abuse because it didn't look like abuse that I saw on TV. It didn't look like something you see on Dateline or in a movie. A lot of it was psychological, emotional, and the physical things that were happening were not happening very often. So I didn't think it qualified as physical abuse. 

I remember being at a point, my divorce was final, I was healing and I realized I could take two very different paths. One would be to never talk about it, and the other road would be to talk about it and share it and go public with it.

I knew that I couldn't really continue as a writer if I didn't write about what had happened to me and where I been and what I had been hiding and why. But also, I remember when I was going through it, looking online for any stories that sounded like mine and not finding them, and I felt so alone and I felt like there was no one else out there who could understand what I was going through. And I sort of made a promise to myself when I was in the middle of it, like when I get out of this, I am going to write about it. I'm going to be that voice that I needed to hear when I was going through it that I couldn't find. And hopefully I can make other women feel less alone than I did.

Angie Mizzell (01:18)
Hey everyone, it's Angie Mizzell and welcome to More Like You. Today I'm talking with Lindsay Ferrier. I met Lindsay when we were both just starting out in our TV news careers. And then years later, I began following her writing through her popular blog, Suburban Turmoil. Lindsay had a way of blending humor and honesty, saying what everyone else was thinking. But like many women who know how to keep it all together on the outside, there was more happening behind the scenes. 

This is a sensitive topic, but it's an important one, because this conversation isn't just about what happened behind closed doors. It's about what it means to live free: free from secrecy, free from shame, and free to live a life that's fully your own. Listen in.

Angie Mizzell (02:02)
Lindsay, I'm so happy to have you here today. And what I like to do with guests that I know, I always like to go back to where we met, like take it back to the beginning. So we first met in our first jobs in television news. You always seemed so poised and confident. Is that how you were feeling on the inside?

Lindsay
I was not feeling that way at all. I was terrified and I feel I was brought into that job without knowing what I was getting into because I was told I was going to be a one-man-band reporter and shoot my own stories, edit them and report them. When I arrived at the station, I think there were seven female reporters and two photographers and everyone there had been told that a new photographer was coming. So they were not at all happy that I was there expecting to report and shoot my own stories. ⁓ And so I thought I was coming into a situation with a lot of new girlfriends and all those new girlfriends were not happy to see me and were not very nice except for Angie Mizzell. You were so nice to me and I will never forget that. It always, it made a huge difference.

Angie Mizzell (02:56)
You are really ⁓ fed to the wolves. And I was a little bit, but in a different situation, because I started out as a producer I was happy to have that job to get my foot in the door. I had interned there when I was in college. But once I got on the air and was given that opportunity, the tide turned. It was not a super supportive atmosphere, but I was naive to it because I was there to make friends. I wanted to be friends with my coworkers. So we had that thing in common. But I always, did admire how you just did what you were assigned because you have to fake it till you make it. I think I realized I do get nervous, but I realized I had some grit. I can feel the fear and do it anyway. So you went from that job to Nashville and then you started freelancing and then you started your blog, Suburban Turmoil, and I was going through my career transition and I didn't really know blogging was a thing. And then I saw the way you were writing these essays online and it sparked something in me. So I've always admired you and have been inspired by your journey because I felt a connection to it. You are actually, very briefly in my book. When I moved to Portland, I did not have a job and you and I were emailing. I was trying to figure out why we were in touch and all I can think of is when I left my job at the television station, maybe I sent a mass email out to everyone and said, we're moving to Portland and here's my new hotmail email address. I'm not really sure, but I know that you are among the handful of emails I look forward to. I would have to go to the library to check my email. That's how long ago it was.

And you were talking about how you had left news and you were working in Nashville and freelancing for CMT, I think. And it sparked. 

Lindsay (05:09)
Yeah, I was writing a TV show for them.

Angie Mizzell

Yeah, and I was like, and that was that planted that first seed of getting out of the business for me to even though it was a few years down the road. briefly take us through your the evolution of your career that gets us to where we are today.

Lindsay (05:26)
Yeah, so I came to Nashville, reported there for a few years and had started anchoring a little bit. And then I got an offer to write a TV show for CMT, which was an offer I couldn't refuse. It was probably three times the salary that I was making as a news reporter. And it was a very easy job for me compared to news. And I loved it. And I loved the people that I worked with. And I did that for a few years.
wrote several different shows for CMT. And then I got pregnant with my first child and decided that I was going to take a year or two off and stay home and raise the baby and raise my stepdaughters. So I did that. And she was about a year old. And I really just missed my entire career. I'd been on the air interviewing celebrities, doing important things and suddenly I was just going to the grocery every day and in a t-shirt and jeans and I just missed having I think just that influence and that life that I'd had. And I had always really wanted to be a writer. Wasn't sure what format but I didn't know about blogging either. I just knew that there were online diaries ⁓ where you could write anonymously and people could read them and I thought this is a great way to try writing and let people read it and get their responses and no one will ever know who I am. So I got on blogspot.com, which was free, started a blog, went by the pen name Lucinda and just started writing about my life as a mom. And it didn't take long at all for me to realize that humor was the way to go. I just enjoyed writing funny stories, turning anything that happened into hilarity and just looking at life that way made me see my own life that way so even things that would happen that weren't necessarily funny I learned to find the funny in them and and it just changed my entire outlook and I remember I started getting readers and I first I had five a day and then I had ten and I remember I reached 42 readers a day and I thought I'd hit the big time and at that point I told my husband at the time what I was doing and You know, I said, I think I might be a writer. I have 42 readers a day. And I don't think I've ever been more excited than I was when I had 42 readers a day. ⁓ so after about six months of blogging and the readership continued to grow, I sent a link to my blog to the Nashville Scene because I really wanted to write a column for them. That was a big dream of mine. And the editor emailed me back within an hour of me sending that email and said, please come into my office and talk. And she said, I want you to write a weekly column for the scene, but you're going to have to put your real name on it. And I was, of course, willing to do that. But I was one of the first people out there to put my real name on my blog. And so that caused a huge stir. Because at the time, we all thought the internet was full of criminals and pedophiles. And it was too dangerous to put your real name on your blog. That was very dangerous.

Angie Mizzell (08:23)
Yeah.

Lindsay (08:25)
But I did that and from that point on, just the readership snowballed. I was in the right place at the right time when mommy blogging hit and ⁓ suddenly I had thousands and thousands of readers and my posts started going viral. And because of that TV experience that I'd had in the past as mommy blog, mommy bloggers became a big deal and brands wanted, you know, people to be in their commercials and their ads an newscasts wanted people to do interviews. I tended to be one of the first people that they turned to. So I started getting lots of on-camera jobs again. And that resulted in me getting my own show that YouTube funded that I did for Cafe Mom called I'll Take That Dare. I did several seasons of that. Cafe Mom covered the presidential election in 2012 and made a deal with CNN. so I started reporting. I recovered that entire election. I was on the campaign trail that whole year. And any story that I did, CNN would run and they would have me on as political commentator quite a bit. So I got to realize my dreams of being, you know, like a national news reporter. Really enjoyed doing that. And basically every job that I've had since that time has come from the blog. If I am into something, I start writing about it on my blog and I start tending to get jobs in that area. So when I became interested in traveling more, I started writing travel posts on my blog and I started getting travel writing jobs and getting asked to visit different places. yeah, I've just kind of followed my heart since then and been able to find work based around what my interests are.

Angie Mizzell (09:58)
Yes. And so, as I said, I have followed you this whole time. You have been a source of laughter and inspiration. I've just always loved your style. So I do think at some point I noticed that I had not really seen you. So I did check on your blog, and I'm like, huh, you know, maybe she's just shifted direction or whatever. but I just noticed I hadn't really seen you. Not long after that, you did the post where you basically explained where you had been and what's been going on. So I wanna talk about that.

What you tell your readers is that you had met with William Paul Young, the author of The Shack. And you had, and first of all, that's amazing that a friend arranged this conversation. But the conversation you had with him helped you move forward as a writer. And the thing that he said that I really resonate with is you are as sick as the secrets that you keep and the unspoken is the unhealed. And I'm going to let you take it from there. But I remember reading that and probably like so many people feeling shocked and saddened. And then also I felt gratitude, like, thank you that she's saying something. So just take us back to that time and what was going on there.

Lindsay (11:36)
Well, I guess had always had a secret throughout my entire marriage Really starting from the day after my wedding day and that is that I was in an abusive Marriage and it was looking back there were signs when I was still dating and was engaged that it might become abusive but I didn't see those signs and I didn't even know what to look for and for years the first I'd say decade of my marriage, I didn't even know that what I was experiencing was abuse because it didn't look like abuse that I saw on TV. It didn't look like something you see on Dateline or in a movie. A lot of it was psychological, emotional, and the physical things that were happening were not happening very often. So I didn't think it qualified as physical abuse. So obviously, it's kind of a crazy thing to be experiencing and not sharing with anyone. I didn't even tell my closest friends. And I know that a big reason why I never told anyone was because I knew somewhere inside myself that if I told anyone what was actually happening to me behind the scenes, they would immediately tell me I had to leave. And I was not prepared to do that. I knew that there would be a custody battle, but it was unlikely that I would get full custody. And I was not willing to give up even one day of being there for my kids and being there to protect them. so I just lived it and I endured it and I kept the secrets. you know, people, I worried, I guess, that people would think that the life I had written about on my blog as a wife and mother wasn't true. And the crazy thing about this, and I think that other women who've experienced abuse will agree,

It all was true. It was the best parts of my life because when my husband was not abusive, he was the best husband ever. And a lot of times that was that kind of atonement cycle of abuse where he was making up for past bad behavior, but he was involved. He was fun to be around. He was my best friend. You know, he listened. He liked doing things with me, but then a switch would flip. And I always said it was like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde where he was either just the most wonderful person on earth or he was a monster. And I couldn't anticipate what would cause that to happen or what I was doing to make that happen. So as abuse usually goes, it slowly had gotten worse over the years. And I had come to the realization that it was never going to get better and nothing I was going to do is going to make it better. And COVID brought us together every day all day. And it stayed that way after COVID. He was allowed to continue working from home after COVID. And that's when for me it just became unbearable because suddenly all of his focus was on me. And I realized looking back before that time he was going to work all day every day. So I had a reprieve. had, you know, many hours a week where it was just me and the kids and life was good and I could do my thing. And he had a lot of focus on work and the workplace at that time. But from COVID on, he was home most of the time. And then all of his negative attention could turn on me and the things I was doing wrong. And that's when it just really started becoming unbearable. And I knew I was going to have to leave just for my own safety and survival. And it occurred to me, I want my kids to have a mom for many years to come. And the only way I can do this is to be prepared to leave. So I got a really good therapist and she started helping me get ready to go. By that time, my daughter was just about to go to college and my son was a sophomore in high school and I hated that I knew I was going to have to move out for his last couple of years of high school. But I did feel very proud of myself that I had made it that far and I felt that the my daughter would be away at college and I felt my son was old enough to be okay, even if I couldn't be with him every day.

Angie Mizzell (15:35)
You wrote that you saw something I don't know if it was a sticker or some sort of sign on the back of a bathroom door that listed the signs of abuse and that helped you put a name to it. And I was wondering, was that the moment that you realized within yourself this is abuse? Because I imagine, like you said, it was very confusing. When it was good, it was good. When it was bad, it's bad. so I was just wondering, what was that moment where you were like, wait, this is real. This isn't in my mind. I'm not exaggerating. So was that the moment?

Lindsay (16:10)
Yeah, I think so. And it's interesting because I'm writing about this this week, actually, the role that religion played in my marriage. We had been to couples counseling, done all the things, but they were always Christian counselors. And I feel that the church is very reluctant to refer to abuse as abuse. I even remember we had a very good couples counselor in the beginning, and even he said abuse is a strong word.

And so it was often referred to as anger management problems or, you know, an issue of like, you know, he's working on his anger. And so even I wasn't sure like, is this abuse or is this anger? Am I doing something? Like, how can I be a better wife? What do I need to do to make this go away? But yeah, I went into a bathroom stall and it was, I think it's called the Wheel of abuse or the wheel of power and control, something like that. But it's all the different types of abuse and examples of each. And so I was just kind of idly looking at it and I realized, that sounds like what I'm experiencing. And wow, so does that, and so does that, and so does that. And I think the shock to me was that almost everything on that wheel, and there are a lot of examples, was something that I could relate to. And yeah, that's when it just hit me like a brick.

Like, there is no doubt that this is abuse, that I am in an abusive relationship and it hits all of the points and it is very, very bad.

Angie Mizzell (17:35)
And you, so you're going through this process of realizing this and finally confiding in people and finding a therapist that you trust, that you start readying yourself to leave. But you still are not in any place internally to write about this or share this story. So you finally are divorced, you're working on your healing and you...

Finally realized and I want to bring it back to the conversation you had with the author of the shack that You needed to start telling the story For your own healing, but also recognizing you weren't going to be able to write again like write anything else and that obviously Not everyone can identify with being a writer, but there's something very powerful about Recognizing that I have to start telling the story in order to be free. that had to be scary though. And I just, so take us back there to, okay, I'm gonna try to start sharing this.

Lindsay (18:34)
Yeah. Yeah, it was a very scary time and for a long time I wasn't sure if I was going to write about it because I knew that writing about it and going public with it would absolutely be the more difficult path. I remember being at a point, my divorce was final, I was healing and I realized I could take two very different paths. One would be to never talk about it, to find a good job that pays my bills and hopefully maybe meet someone and marry again and have a nice quiet life and never tell anyone what had happened and why I had left. And the other road would be to talk about it and share it and go public with it. And I have such a history of writing honestly about my life and authentically about my life. And I've tried to live my life in a way that I would always be able to do that, that I would never have anything that I felt I needed to hide.

And so I've always felt, you know, writing was what I was intended to do. And I knew that I couldn't really continue as a writer if I didn't write about what had happened to me and where I been and what I had been hiding and why. So that played a big part in my decision. But also, I remember when I was going through it, looking online for any stories that sounded like mine and not finding them.

There aren't many women out there who are able to talk about abuse, especially when it's happening behind closed doors and it's not very obvious to people on the outside. There just isn't a lot out there on the topic and I felt so alone and I felt like there was no one else out there who could understand what I was going through. And I sort of made a promise to myself when I was in the middle of it, like when I get out of this, I am going to write about it. I'm going to be that voice that I needed to hear when I was going through it that I couldn't find. And hopefully I can make other women feel less alone than I did. So that went into the decision. I kept trying to write about it for months. I would start something, start something, nothing felt right. And I felt like I still had some healing to do. And I definitely didn't want to write about it until I felt like I was in a good place emotionally to write about it.

Finally one day I sat down and it just came out, the whole thing. And it was exactly what I wanted to say and exactly how I wanted to say it. And even then, I looked at that post hundreds of times. I kept thinking, I'm sure I'll want to make changes to it. I'm sure I'll want to edit it. And I never did. I never really made any significant changes to it. It was exactly how I wanted it to be. But I knew it was going to be a big deal to put it out there in the world. So I had everyone I could think of, look at that post before I published it. And I said, tell me every reason you can think of why I shouldn't publish this, why I shouldn't put it out there. I looked for the most critical people I knew, the people that I thought would be the most likely to say, don't publish this. All my friends, just anybody that I thought would be a good critical eye and would have different perspectives on whether or not I should publish it and why. And literally every single person said do it, this is it, you've got to publish this. Even the people I thought would say don't publish this, read it, said you absolutely have to publish this. And so that's when I knew that this was what needed to be out there.

Angie Mizzell (21:46)

And so when you published that post, you also declared that that was the end of your former blog, You went on to rebrand your that website, And you also launched a private or a subscriber based substack.

So I know that you're just really helping so many people.

And you wrote in one of your posts about, believe it was your grandmother who was in an abusive relationship with your grandfather and the effect that that had on your mom and then on you.

What do you think that is when something like that's going on in a family and no one is addressing it? And then the impact on generations because of that pattern of not dealing with it.

Lindsay (22:50)
Yeah, it's been interesting to me because, just in terms of writing it and putting it out there, I've done a lot of reading on the impact that this can have on a family. And there are a number of good documentaries on this as well. And it made me realize, and it's not even just an abuser in a family. I think every family can think of a member who is maybe toxic, doing things that are not good, that are not good for the family and really relying on the family not talking about it, not addressing it, not acknowledging it and sort of complicity allowing it to continue happening. And this family member ends up affecting other family members' relationships with each other. I think that that family member relies on the family's silence to keep doing what he's or she is doing. And it takes a family member finally speaking out about it and saying, this isn't right and this isn't good for this family and this can't continue for that to ultimately end. But that family member has to be prepared for a lot of pushback from the family itself because many family members still are going to be, you know, hesitant to address it and angry that it is coming up. But yeah, I think it's so important to break that like generational cycle of abuse in this case and speaking out about it within the family is the only way to do it because then it has to be addressed and family members are kind of forced to start talking about how it's affected them and how it's affected their relationships with each other.

Angie Mizzell (24:32)
Something you've been very open about also is the healing process that you've had to go through and how you're still dealing, even though you're doing really well and loving your life right now, there's still the after effects of having been through that traumatic experience and for so long. The thing that I see you do that is so helpful is that you were working on your healing and how good that is going to ultimately be for your kids.

Lindsay (25:05)
yeah, and it's been interesting because lots of women have come to me since I've started writing the newsletter about my abusive relationship and I make time to have coffee if they're here in town. A lot of times people I've known from my past have confided in me that they are experiencing the exact same thing and I had no idea and they would never have told me if I hadn't written this newsletter. But yeah, the kids come up a lot in all of these relationships because your inclination is to not share this kind of thing with your kids and not talk to them about it and try to shield them from it. And I definitely did that as they were growing up. And I feel like they, for many years, just knew a shell of me. what they saw was me trying to pretend that everything was okay and that I was fine.

And I feel like things with us are now better than ever because they're able to see me as I really am. Still healing, but very much healed from that time.

So I feel that it's so important to very sensitively, delicately have those conversations with your children. I absolutely recommend doing that with the help of a therapist because a therapist can help you determine what's appropriate and what isn't. But just letting them know that you're there for them and you're a sounding board for them and that they can talk to you about anything. One really important conversation that I've had with my kids several times is that it's okay to be upset sometimes. Sometimes one of us will get upset and we'll have a difficult conversation. And the way we are as a society, that's considered a bad thing if we have an upsetting conversation. But I told them it's not a bad thing to have upsetting conversations because what happened is upsetting. It's normal to be upset sometimes. It's normal to cry. It's normal to be angry. And this is a safe place to do that. When you were with me, it is safe to feel your feelings and you're not going to damage our relationship by expressing your feelings or by feeling certain way, even if it's negative. I said the important thing is that we are together no matter what and that anything you have to say or feel is okay here. And I feel like that helps our relationship so much to just drop any facade of pretending and feel comfortable with each other feeling our feelings and talking about them

Angie Mizzell (27:20)
What would be the first step for anyone listening who is either just waking up to the reality that they're in an abusive relationship or they know it but they are like, wait, I have to do something now. The first thing you would tell them that they need to do.

Lindsay (27:21)
The first thing is tell someone. Tell someone that you trust. Tell more than one person. That was the big mistake that I made was waiting as long as I did to tell anyone. When I did start talking, I got a therapist. That's another huge, hugely important thing to do if you can find any way that you can get a therapist because they will help you start working through these feelings. They will help you start making a plan.

You might get a therapist and not connect with them. I think it's also important to know that you might have to choose, you might have to sample a few therapists before you find the right one. But yeah, when I started telling people, I told my parents first, I told a few close friends, and that really started making a difference. And at that point, I realized that there were so many people out there who actually had resources for me and who wanted to help me and who in some cases had had similar experiences and I had no idea. And it was through talking about it that I realized that I wasn't alone. And I feel so sad for that me that thought I had to shoulder all of this all by myself with no help. Because yeah, as soon as I started telling people, I realized I was far from alone. And so that was a really big deal. I also think there was a point when I realized I couldn't save my marriage, but I thought, you know, I've been putting all this energy into working on my marriage and working on fixing my marriage. I'm going to put that energy as I prepare to leave into working on myself. And that was one of the best things that I could have done because I really started trying to heal while I was still in the marriage. I started reading every self-help and inspirational book I could find. I started really working on my anxiety, doing meditation, doing yoga. walking, started, you know, worked on my diet, I worked on my exercise, so that by the time I left, I was actually in a pretty good place emotionally compared to where I had been a year ago because I was doing the work on myself. And then the final thing that I think really made a difference is I had heard from lots of women who'd gotten divorces that they couldn't believe the friends that they didn't hear from when they separated.

They said there were people who stayed that they were surprised by, that stayed in their lives, but that they lost some friendships too, and that it really hurt them. And so I decided, you this is going to be a really awkward separation and trying to explain to people what happened. And so I started making new friends. I started doing new things and new activities and making new friends who didn't know me as part of a couple who were just meeting me. And so when I left, that was true. A lot of people found the separation awkward, didn't know, you know. what does this mean? And I didn't hear from a lot of people, but it didn't matter because I had all these new friends who were there for me and who knew I had just left my husband and were very supportive. And it didn't feel awkward to them at all because they were my new friends. And that really, really helped me emotionally in those early days.

Angie Mizzell (30:34)
I love that you are documenting this new season of life on your newly branded blog, something totally different. Because many of us in my audience and in our friend group, we're approaching 50 or we're already 50, our kids are going to college, and we are reassessing our life.

And I love what you say, I don't have it in front of me, like if you're looking for a blog about how to deal with menopause symptoms or crying over your kids because they're leaving, like this is not the place. This is a place for something totally different and it is about loving your life at this stage of life.

So what would be your advice to all of us midlife women who still want to feel fully alive? what does that look like? How can we feel fully alive in our lives right now?

Lindsay (31:28)
I mean, it's interesting because I think I'm in a unique position because, and I think this is important to put this out there too, we always talk about the trauma associated with leaving a toxic or abusive relationship, but it's important that people know that even the night that I drove away with all the chaos and crying going on, I felt this little spark of happiness inside that night too and hope which I hadn't felt in ages. And I drove away and I thought I did it. I got out of that and now my life can begin. Now I have hope of living the life that I was meant to live and being the person that I was meant to be and being that person for my kids. And so I feel like I'm approaching my fifties with this excitement and hope and joy. And I finally get to be me. And I know a lot of us, you our kids are leaving for college. We finally have a little more time for ourselves. We're so used to putting all of our energy into doing for everybody else and doing for everyone around us. And I think it's important to look at this time as a time to focus on ourselves for a change in our next chapter and what we want to do with our lives and to maybe focus on our hobbies. You know, like for me, like I always loved clothes and fashion and style and so I'm getting to actually focus on that and have fun with it and that's something I wasn't able to do before for somebody else that might be gardening. I mean it's whatever, it's just be excited. I feel like society tells us that we're all washed up, know, once we've raised our kids and you know that we don't really have anything to look forward to and there is a lot of writing out there like you said about menopause and empty nesting and all the sad parts of getting older but there some really great parts of it too. And so I just feel like it's important to focus on that and focus on the fact that I feel like we're aging differently now than our moms did and our grandmothers did. And there's just a lot to look forward to, a lot of ways to take good care of ourselves and just enjoy our lives and know that we've done well as mothers. And now we are entering this exciting new chapter.

Angie Mizzell (33:39)
It is so wonderful to see you thriving. And I know that in some of your posts, you even showed pictures just of your face and how the glow is just it's not mistakeable now. And it really is a testament to taking care of yourself and doing whatever you need to do to break free from whatever is keeping you from being your best self. So thank you for writing again and for telling the hard story, but the fun ones too, because we need that. Life is all of that. It is the hard and it is the fun. And you've always just done that so beautifully. You're a beautiful writer. And so just thank you for coming back and sharing your stories with us. Where can people find you?

Lindsay (34:09)
So as you said, my website is somethingtotallydifferent.com and I'm hoping to have more time to devote to that in the coming months. The substack newsletter is, I think it's under Lindsay Ferrier, Lindsay with an A-Y. yeah, that took off much more quickly than I expected. So I had to put a lot of energy into getting that started and I have subscribers and I feel like, I have people that expect something from me every week. So that's taking a lot of time. But yeah, that's kind of gotten into its groove and gotten going. And there's a great community there. And that is all about divorce and abuse. And I wanted to save something totally different just for the fun parts so that if you're not in the mood to read The Gloom and Doom, you can just go to something totally different and just read about the happy parts of, I guess, middle age.

So those are the two places.

Angie Mizzell (35:19)
Lindsay, thank you for being with me today and for sharing your story on this podcast and with my audience. It will no doubt be helpful to someone out there listening.

Lindsay (35:30)
Thank you for having me.

Angie Mizzell (35:32)
Thank you for listening to More Like You. You can find links to Lindsay's lifestyle blog, Something Totally Different, and the link to her Substack Something Totally Divorce related in the show notes. And I invite you to subscribe to my weekly email, Hello Friday. Signing up for Hello Friday will ensure that you never miss new podcast episodes when they're released. Just go to AngieMizzell.com subscribe, and sign up for Hello Friday.

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